Religion vs. Science (or the other way around)

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I was just listening to a podcast by Bottomless Coffee 007 here, where Kel Varnsen and him talk about religion and science among other subjects. And it got me thinking, since it’s not the first time I hear about this opposition between religion and science, the latter aiming to prove the first one wrong.

I would just like to trigger a debate, I know religion is a touchy subject and my desire is to have a respectful exchange, not to start a fist fight. So, opposite opinions are very welcome, all I ask is to be nice and accept the difference, and eventually, agree to disagree.

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Like I was saying, I have never understood why there are people who spend their entire life trying to prove that religion, or God are inventions, that they don’t exist, etc. and that it’s foolish to Believe in such things, especially nowadays. To my understanding, faith is Something you either have or you Don’t. There are dozens, maybe more, of books published every year on that subject, and some religions even use the scientific arguments in order to prove that another religion is wrong and theirs is right. Religion is based on mysticism, they talk about miracles, things which are unseen to the eye. Either you choose to believe it, or you decide that it’s too far flung and it’s not for you. But just because you choose not to follow any religion or Believe in any divinity, does it allow you to prove that those who do are idiots or wrong ? Science is a rational matter, it measures physical facts, tangibles facts. How can it be applied to untangible things ? How can it pretend to prove things which are not visible ? Isn’t there enough to do solving the questions as to knowing What happened the second that preceded the Big Bang ? Or which comes first between the egg or the chicken ? Or how did we go from fish to homo sapiens ? (yes Darwin told us about evolution but apparently that also isn’t absolutely sure). Why systematically oppose science and religion ? Can’t there be an agreement that some things belong to one and other things belong to the other ? I am not going to ask the question which is put by religious scientists regarding the author of science, who created science ? Do you have the answer to these questions ?

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One of the arguments that non believers use is that religions cause violence and wars. I won’t say it’s not true, eventhough, I think that religion is being or has been used as an excuse for other ambitions and reasons such as Economy, territory expansion through politics. That said, I Wonder how a supposedly atheist is promoting peace by treating those who Believe as idiots, or by disrespecting them. I have had some very virulent (from their part) discussions with atheists and I couldn’t help but ask myself why so much anger and rage, when you are saying that you reject Something because it causes violence and intolerance. Who is violent ?

Another aspect is that I think people mistake the people who follow a religion with the religion itself. Being part of a certain religious trend doesn’t mean you stop being a human being with your flaws and your limitations as a human being. We all have things to work on, there are idiots on both sides. The same thing goes with the accusations regarding priests who abuse children. How many people blame the Catholic Church for that, or even Christianity ? I Don’t deny the fact that they might have hidden certain things. That’s possible and it doesn’t alter my point. Where is it said that by becoming a priest or a minister of God a person becomes flawless ? Of course They are supposed to set an example because they are moral leaders. But I never forget that they are first human beings and then priests or pastors. Which means that if they were sick before, they will be sick afterwards. If they had pedophile tendencies before, they will have them afterwards, if they were gay before, they will remain so. Maybe I’m mixing it all right now, but What I want to say is that it’s not fair to condemn and judge a group of people because some members act in a condemnable way. We should stop idolising people no matter their status, they remain common people with the common flaws.

Regarding faith, I never impose my views on anyone. My position might not be biblical enough for some Christians, but I feel that God is the one who calls those He wants to bring to Him. I Don’t consider myself a missionnary in the sense that I Don’t preach, or try to evangelize. I rather share my faith, I Don’t hide, I Don’t feel ashamed to say that I pray, go to Church on Sundays, give thanks to God for the amazing things He does for me and for the world. I believe that my actions should speak louder than my words. And I respect and maybe admire those who do more than sharing, and have the ambition of converting other people. I just Don’t feel that it’s my personnal call, at least for now. I respect and not just tolerate other beliefs. I once came upon a quote by the Dalaï Lama who said that God is like a source and the different religions are the various containers humans use to draw water from it. The Tools are different, but the essence is the same. I find it so beautiful and wish everybody viewed things like that. It would spare humanity so much pain and suffering. It doesn’t only concern religion, the same philosophy could be applied anywhere else.

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I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject, so feel free to join in the discussion in the comment section. I’m here to exchange ideas.

Let’s take care of ourselves.

See you around !

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    1. Monaminga dit :

      Thank you, are familiar with this debate ? How do you deal with it ?

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      1. I stay as far away as possible! Wisdom has taught me through the years that you can’t convince someone of anything their heart doesn’t believe, nor in a place to receive! It’s not even worth debating!

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      2. Monaminga dit :

        That’s how I feel too 😉 have a blessed day !

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  1. In both aspects Monaminga, it is humans that cause this devastation. That’s the key, realizing that humans look for profit and don’t care about the cost.

    Science and religion are the same in the idea that we look to religious leaders as we look to scientists to tell us what to do.

    A belief in God is the same as practicing science. The fault lies when people cannot simply believe something on their own. They must force people to be like them or they persecute them.

    Thanks for the listen Monaminga. If you or I believe anything, we must believe it for ourselves. It is only then are we true believers. And being a true believer is the most important aspect.

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    1. Monaminga dit :

      I couldn’t agree more 007. Thanks for inspiring me 😉

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      1. Thank you for taking the time to listen to the podcast Monaminga

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  2. You have taught me a lot!
    Thank you.

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    1. Monaminga dit :

      I’m glad you feel that way 😉

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  3. wholeness123 dit :

    Let me start off by saying, I don’t believe in religion. I do however believe that science and religion go together quite nicely. Theres no need to separate ourselves with choosing and comparing. We are all connected; until we all realize that & start acting like it the world will always be corrupt. Try this for yourself because you matter, & you do make a difference in this world. Instead of competing with one another, try to agree with someone you would normally dismiss on something, anything. That persons feelings and thoughts matter just like yours do. Try giving a compliment instead of giving criticism Peace+Love=Happiness

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    1. Monaminga dit :

      I agree with you on this. It doesn’t matter whether you believe in religion or not, the only thing that matters is the kind of human that oh are. The rest is just discussion between people who need to do something with their free time 🤣thanks for stopping by 😉

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